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		<title>Comment on do we want to know whether library blogs are succeeding in the big, bad web world? by virtual librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>virtual librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@walt: wrt the metrics i refer to not being available to anyone other than administrators: it certainly is a shame, but fodder for the argument for publishing. i think we need to explore best practice for blogging on a number of levels - including statistical standards. would be great if we (as a profession) could collectively think about what's needed to measure the success of a blog project, and come up with a set of metrics that we can use for benchmarking.

@kathryn: your project sounds v. interesting. i'd love to have a look at your survey instrument...

you're right about the bookmobile and telephone. i just think that when we have so much click-to-publish technology at our fingertips, we should take advantage of it (i'm thinking getting 'published' in some way was possibly not as easy/accessible around the time the phone had its greatest impact on changing the face of reference). i'm not talking peer reviewed, printed publications - any kind of writing, really: blogging, news-y articles, contributions in wikis like library success...

to look at a more 'formal' or 'traditional' forum: take the recent vala conference, for example. there wasn't a huge deal there for public libraries, and that's nobody's fault but our own. we're doing great stuff, but we aren't particularly good at self promotion. how much more would we all get out of these big conferences if we contributed to the programs?

as for publishing as a luxury: this is interesting. to me, a stretch of uninterrupted time to write at work would indeed be a luxury. it just doesn't happen, and not for lack of support for these sorts of endeavours from management, nor for lack of enthusiasm on my part. there is just so much other stuff to do, and in a lot of ways, i'd rather write at home so i can potter around and have clear headspace in which to do it. 

for me, more than being a luxury (and i know it is a luxury, of sorts, that my personal and professional life affords me the space to write), writing is a professional responsibility, on three levels: to my self (because it makes sure i stay engaged and keep on learning), to my organisation, and to my profession. it's also something i do because i love to do it.

what i find luxurious (and i think this is a shame) is when i get to work on a project where there is a considerable body of professional literature of some description from which to draw inspiration, background, data...

the reasons for a lack of published studies are certainly many. i think, as you suggest, that one of the reasons is very likely that we're too busy doing our jobs to get writing (apologies -  i didn't make that point in my original post). and there's certainly a lot to be said for intuition and professional judgment... i don't mean to devalue that at all.

i just hope that libraries are doing some thoughtful, meaningful evaluation of their 2.0 projects. and for my own selfish purposes, i'd love them to publish their findings!

thanks to both of you for a couple of thoughtful and thought provoking comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@walt: wrt the metrics i refer to not being available to anyone other than administrators: it certainly is a shame, but fodder for the argument for publishing. i think we need to explore best practice for blogging on a number of levels - including statistical standards. would be great if we (as a profession) could collectively think about what&#8217;s needed to measure the success of a blog project, and come up with a set of metrics that we can use for benchmarking.</p>
<p>@kathryn: your project sounds v. interesting. i&#8217;d love to have a look at your survey instrument&#8230;</p>
<p>you&#8217;re right about the bookmobile and telephone. i just think that when we have so much click-to-publish technology at our fingertips, we should take advantage of it (i&#8217;m thinking getting &#8216;published&#8217; in some way was possibly not as easy/accessible around the time the phone had its greatest impact on changing the face of reference). i&#8217;m not talking peer reviewed, printed publications - any kind of writing, really: blogging, news-y articles, contributions in wikis like library success&#8230;</p>
<p>to look at a more &#8216;formal&#8217; or &#8216;traditional&#8217; forum: take the recent vala conference, for example. there wasn&#8217;t a huge deal there for public libraries, and that&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s fault but our own. we&#8217;re doing great stuff, but we aren&#8217;t particularly good at self promotion. how much more would we all get out of these big conferences if we contributed to the programs?</p>
<p>as for publishing as a luxury: this is interesting. to me, a stretch of uninterrupted time to write at work would indeed be a luxury. it just doesn&#8217;t happen, and not for lack of support for these sorts of endeavours from management, nor for lack of enthusiasm on my part. there is just so much other stuff to do, and in a lot of ways, i&#8217;d rather write at home so i can potter around and have clear headspace in which to do it. </p>
<p>for me, more than being a luxury (and i know it is a luxury, of sorts, that my personal and professional life affords me the space to write), writing is a professional responsibility, on three levels: to my self (because it makes sure i stay engaged and keep on learning), to my organisation, and to my profession. it&#8217;s also something i do because i love to do it.</p>
<p>what i find luxurious (and i think this is a shame) is when i get to work on a project where there is a considerable body of professional literature of some description from which to draw inspiration, background, data&#8230;</p>
<p>the reasons for a lack of published studies are certainly many. i think, as you suggest, that one of the reasons is very likely that we&#8217;re too busy doing our jobs to get writing (apologies -  i didn&#8217;t make that point in my original post). and there&#8217;s certainly a lot to be said for intuition and professional judgment&#8230; i don&#8217;t mean to devalue that at all.</p>
<p>i just hope that libraries are doing some thoughtful, meaningful evaluation of their 2.0 projects. and for my own selfish purposes, i&#8217;d love them to publish their findings!</p>
<p>thanks to both of you for a couple of thoughtful and thought provoking comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on do we want to know whether library blogs are succeeding in the big, bad web world? by Kathryn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post - very timely for me. Today I'm writing a survey for 15 bloggers who will be part of a 6 month pilot project where the uni hosts blogs using WordpressMU. This is designed to create a best practice model if we want to extend it to the rest of campus.

The survey is designed to work out their existing blogging skills and the support they need, and to work out the template features, widgets and plugins I'll need to set up. I am also asking them at the end "Which things would you consider when evaluating whether the blogging trial was a success for you?".

I want to embed evaluation as part of the pilot project, so will be surveying participants at the point of getting their blog (June) and three months later when the trial ends. I will be looking beyond the participants' opinions to things like time cost, reliability of the software, load on IT etc.

As for publishing - I'm in two minds. I'm guessing that the telephone and the bookmobile (which is often held up as the ultimate Library 2.0 service) were introduced in libraries without published studies or evaluation. I'm also guessing that many of the small, busy libraries who are introducing blogs are using their intuitive professional judgement and knowledge of their communities, rather than taking time out to use more formal methods or even think about the luxury of publishing.

I do think that we need published, valid studies of what works and what doesn't. Like you, however, I am unsure what a lack of published studies means. 

Good luck with your blogging project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post - very timely for me. Today I&#8217;m writing a survey for 15 bloggers who will be part of a 6 month pilot project where the uni hosts blogs using WordpressMU. This is designed to create a best practice model if we want to extend it to the rest of campus.</p>
<p>The survey is designed to work out their existing blogging skills and the support they need, and to work out the template features, widgets and plugins I&#8217;ll need to set up. I am also asking them at the end &#8220;Which things would you consider when evaluating whether the blogging trial was a success for you?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I want to embed evaluation as part of the pilot project, so will be surveying participants at the point of getting their blog (June) and three months later when the trial ends. I will be looking beyond the participants&#8217; opinions to things like time cost, reliability of the software, load on IT etc.</p>
<p>As for publishing - I&#8217;m in two minds. I&#8217;m guessing that the telephone and the bookmobile (which is often held up as the ultimate Library 2.0 service) were introduced in libraries without published studies or evaluation. I&#8217;m also guessing that many of the small, busy libraries who are introducing blogs are using their intuitive professional judgement and knowledge of their communities, rather than taking time out to use more formal methods or even think about the luxury of publishing.</p>
<p>I do think that we need published, valid studies of what works and what doesn&#8217;t. Like you, however, I am unsure what a lack of published studies means. </p>
<p>Good luck with your blogging project.</p>
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		<title>Comment on do we want to know whether library blogs are succeeding in the big, bad web world? by Walt Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment. As should be obvious from my own commentary, I'm troubled by the repeated attention given to one or two Highly Successful Library Blogs, ones that strike me as being exceptional cases--and what I see as a failure to admit that, at least by some measures, most library blogs haven't done all that well at engaging users.

There are, as you note, other measures (most of them only available for the blog owner), which is one reason I've avoided ever suggesting that any library blog is a "failure." When a library blog repeatedly coaxes the readers to comment (as a few have), and there are no comments...well, that says something. But most library blogs don't do that.

I think some of the metrics you suggest, most of them unavailable to an outside observer, are distinctly worth considering--and that it's worth discussing the results. 

But then, I've said for a while that Library Success would be even more valuable if it included "Learning Successes"--that is, failed programs that help us move on. I don't see that happening, and (with one or two major exceptions), it's never been much of the literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment. As should be obvious from my own commentary, I&#8217;m troubled by the repeated attention given to one or two Highly Successful Library Blogs, ones that strike me as being exceptional cases&#8211;and what I see as a failure to admit that, at least by some measures, most library blogs haven&#8217;t done all that well at engaging users.</p>
<p>There are, as you note, other measures (most of them only available for the blog owner), which is one reason I&#8217;ve avoided ever suggesting that any library blog is a &#8220;failure.&#8221; When a library blog repeatedly coaxes the readers to comment (as a few have), and there are no comments&#8230;well, that says something. But most library blogs don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>I think some of the metrics you suggest, most of them unavailable to an outside observer, are distinctly worth considering&#8211;and that it&#8217;s worth discussing the results. </p>
<p>But then, I&#8217;ve said for a while that Library Success would be even more valuable if it included &#8220;Learning Successes&#8221;&#8211;that is, failed programs that help us move on. I don&#8217;t see that happening, and (with one or two major exceptions), it&#8217;s never been much of the literature.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;internet ninjistu&#8221;: a useful analogy for thinking about education vs filtering by Ryan</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyalibrarian.com/2008/02/26/internet-ninjistu-a-useful-analogy-for-thinking-about-education-vs-filtering/#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kate.   I think it's important to add that learning to swim is scary stuff too.   In the end, though, programs like Learning 2.0 etc. can help lots.    It'd be interesting if there could be a campaign for parents around the same ideas.

Ryan. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kate.   I think it&#8217;s important to add that learning to swim is scary stuff too.   In the end, though, programs like Learning 2.0 etc. can help lots.    It&#8217;d be interesting if there could be a campaign for parents around the same ideas.</p>
<p>Ryan. . .</p>
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		<title>Comment on reflecting on the conference that wasn&#8217;t: my &#34;uh-oh&#34; moments by SofieF</title>
		<link>http://virtuallyalibrarian.com/2007/10/14/reflecting-on-the-conference-that-wasnt-my-uh-oh-moments/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>SofieF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Re: Wikipedia (and the web?) are never going to be as good as our collections&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I’m also not 100% sure of how this was said at the Unconference – I think it might have been presented as a quote of someone else, so I don’t know the original context, but it seemed like people took it at face value, and I don’t remember anyone challenging it. But whatever the exact wording was I definitely remember reacting to it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What I don’t get is that fundamentally as librarians we (are supposed to) recognise that different info needs, contexts, subject areas etc dictate the use of different search strategies, tools, info sources, evaluation of results etc. And we then have the opportunity to help users understand this and teach them the skills to make their own decisions about what constitutes good information and good information sources for their needs. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But are we only OK with this within the bounds of our own collections? Step outside of that and we’re happy to (terrified not to?) support blanket dismissals of amazingly useful info sources? I find this attitude sooo frustrating and I think it damages our credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Re: Wikipedia (and the web?) are never going to be as good as our collections</b></p>
<p>I’m also not 100% sure of how this was said at the Unconference – I think it might have been presented as a quote of someone else, so I don’t know the original context, but it seemed like people took it at face value, and I don’t remember anyone challenging it. But whatever the exact wording was I definitely remember reacting to it. </p>
<p>What I don’t get is that fundamentally as librarians we (are supposed to) recognise that different info needs, contexts, subject areas etc dictate the use of different search strategies, tools, info sources, evaluation of results etc. And we then have the opportunity to help users understand this and teach them the skills to make their own decisions about what constitutes good information and good information sources for their needs. </p>
<p>But are we only OK with this within the bounds of our own collections? Step outside of that and we’re happy to (terrified not to?) support blanket dismissals of amazingly useful info sources? I find this attitude sooo frustrating and I think it damages our credibility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on report on the asknow instant messaging trial now available by virtual librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>virtual librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ stephen: thanks for your comment. I agree, augmenting proprietary chat reference with IM is a great way to extend our services. We certainly found that our trial attracted a large number of users who hadn't previously used AskNow - evidence that IM as a medium appeals to different user groups. We also found a higher proportion of upper secondary and university students used IM than AskNow - again, evidence of appeal for new audiences.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'll certainly drop by your blog and see if you're online to chat (I'm a long time reader, btw). I've also sent you an email with some more detail, which I hope will be of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ stephen: thanks for your comment. I agree, augmenting proprietary chat reference with IM is a great way to extend our services. We certainly found that our trial attracted a large number of users who hadn&#8217;t previously used AskNow - evidence that IM as a medium appeals to different user groups. We also found a higher proportion of upper secondary and university students used IM than AskNow - again, evidence of appeal for new audiences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll certainly drop by your blog and see if you&#8217;re online to chat (I&#8217;m a long time reader, btw). I&#8217;ve also sent you an email with some more detail, which I hope will be of interest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on report on the asknow instant messaging trial now available by Stephen Francoeur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Francoeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, I read your report this week and would love to hear more about the software being developed. If you have a moment, it would be great if you could stop by my blog (Digital Reference) and see if my MeeboMe indicates I'm free to chat. I'd love to get my library involved in any project that finds a way to set up a scalable collaborative reference service. We've been long time QuestionPoint subscribers; it would be cool to augment that service with an IM one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, I read your report this week and would love to hear more about the software being developed. If you have a moment, it would be great if you could stop by my blog (Digital Reference) and see if my MeeboMe indicates I&#8217;m free to chat. I&#8217;d love to get my library involved in any project that finds a way to set up a scalable collaborative reference service. We&#8217;ve been long time QuestionPoint subscribers; it would be cool to augment that service with an IM one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on report on the asknow instant messaging trial now available by Kathryn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there will be info about it published soon. Will email you directly and tell you more. I just work as an operator for the service, but I can tell you what I know.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would love to catch up during the unconf next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there will be info about it published soon. Will email you directly and tell you more. I just work as an operator for the service, but I can tell you what I know.</p>
<p>Would love to catch up during the unconf next week.</p>
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		<title>Comment on report on the asknow instant messaging trial now available by virtual librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>virtual librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ kathryn: great stuff! I'd love to have a chat to you about this. I think I read on your blog that you'll be at the SLQ unconference next week... would love to talk to you about the Monash/Murdoch project.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have you published on the project at all? Very keen to hear what you guys are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ kathryn: great stuff! I&#8217;d love to have a chat to you about this. I think I read on your blog that you&#8217;ll be at the SLQ unconference next week&#8230; would love to talk to you about the Monash/Murdoch project.</p>
<p>Have you published on the project at all? Very keen to hear what you guys are doing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on report on the asknow instant messaging trial now available by Kathryn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G'day Kate. I look forward to your VALA presentation. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Macquarie and Murdoch University Libraries have implemented an IM based chat reference server using Jabber client. We used a MAMS grant to develop a routing system using Shibboleth, so that students are routed to the correct institutions' librarians - and enquiries are flicked on to the next librarian if it it not answered quickly enough.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There will be a paper about it at VALA, but if you are interested we can tell you more about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day Kate. I look forward to your VALA presentation. </p>
<p>Macquarie and Murdoch University Libraries have implemented an IM based chat reference server using Jabber client. We used a MAMS grant to develop a routing system using Shibboleth, so that students are routed to the correct institutions&#8217; librarians - and enquiries are flicked on to the next librarian if it it not answered quickly enough.</p>
<p>There will be a paper about it at VALA, but if you are interested we can tell you more about it.</p>
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